used it or planning to use it? and it was this. he said the strange thing about working in intelligence agency is you never know really what everyone else is doing. and you never know whether they are incredibly stupid or unbelievably clever. and there is to way of telling and it is something that disappears. you never know whether they have been posted or stacked, and i thought, oh, spies in a kind of fog. i like that idea. >> rose: there is also the notion of do they know the difference between truth and lying at some point? >> it is a very gray area. it is in a gray area, really, of character serena that much of their work is done, i mean, really what is interesting about this is the cia spent millions, tens, hundred of millions on what we now call the cultural cold war, the plan was really to persuade left of center intellectuals, especially in europe that the west, particularly the united states, was the powerhouse of culture and ideas, that it wasn't any of the soviet experiment had died, and the best people